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      Begushkin - King's Curse (2008)

      http://narod.ru/disk/3256760000/King's%20Curse.rar.html
      

      Folk/Rock bastante épico. A mí el anterior disco me gusto bastante.

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        jösexiu
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        vaya, había visto ese disco en la newsletter de Locust y ni siquiera me había dado tiempo a buscarlo. Gracias, Tambourine

        Nightly Things me gustó bastante, aunque sus 22 minutos me supieron a poco y dejaron un poco en cuarentena mi opinión (podéis recuperarla, así como leer una pequeña descripción del sonido de Begushkin, aquí)

        edito: ¿hace falta instalar software para bajarse el disco?

        edito por segunda vez: ale, otro enlace

        http://www.mediafire.com/?giyft3tdemt
        
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          Tambourine
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          No hacía falta instalar nada (yo me lo bajé de ahí), aunque es un poco cristo…
          Pero bueno, para el que lo quiera mejor tu link.

          Con una primera escucha, prefiero el Nightly Things.

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            Kiototar
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            @andtheworldsmileswithyou:1xng4h0w:

            Helios– Caesura [2008]

            @1xng4h0w:

            YOU NEED THIS — A MOST HIGHLY RECOMMENDED UNDER THE SKIN EPIC ***** When me and my wife first met with Keith Kenniff it was on the road on tour with Khonnor in 2004. He was a shimmering humble star, a person that had a sparkle in his eyes, which has been shining through with all the music he pours through. After listening to his music, as Helios and Goldmund over four years time, we are again proud and happy to be able to offer his astounding moody compositions for all of you. Get this. He is a star.

            This is Keith Kenniff’s fifth gorgeous release. In five years Keith’s style has evolved constantly, with his drifting piano compositions taking the Goldmund label and the Helios sound moving out from undreneath the clipped beat-heavy electronics of ‘Unomia’ and into a more unique place, even incorporating vocals on the ‘Ayres’ mini album. ‘Caesura’ however is his ‘proper’ follow-up to the acclaimed ‘Eingya’, and sees Keith return to the instrumental sound he knows so well. In fact in many ways ‘Caesura’ is a more electronic work than its predecessors, blending layer upon layer of synthesizer and adding his assured drumming to come up with the perfect meeting of indie-pop and ambient music. The haunting cinematic element is still present of course, but these songs are more rounded and confident than any in Keith’s career.

            From the delicate bliss of ‘Hope Valley Hill’ which opens up the album with gauzy nostalgia and, as the title promised, hope, through the chunky pop of ‘Come With Nothings’ it is clear that Keith’s music is as arresting as it ever was. Taking cues from the lilting indie-electronics of Ulrich Schnauss and the unfussy ambience of Brian Eno, Keith manages to inject this with his knowledge as a composer. The epic harmonies of ‘Backlight’ for instance reveal a lightness of touch rarely heard in the genre with sweeping synthesized chords buzzing alongside Keith’s signature guitar.

            Accompanied by more gorgeous artwork from Matthew Woodson, ‘Caesura’ is a glowing record for the winter months, and a glimmer of hope to keep the seasons at bay.
            dotshop

            http://rs429.rapidshare.com/files/155048693/Helios_-_Caesura.zip
            http://rapidshare.com/files/155072226/HelC_Vic.zip
            

            Lo de Helios consiste en hacer las portadas más bonitas de la historia de la música electrónica o que…?? Joder... ya van 3!!

            Seguro que el disco también de pasote...

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              laser-beam65
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              @Kiototar:100gwkug:

              @andtheworldsmileswithyou:100gwkug:

              Helios– Caesura [2008]

              @100gwkug:

              YOU NEED THIS — A MOST HIGHLY RECOMMENDED UNDER THE SKIN EPIC ***** When me and my wife first met with Keith Kenniff it was on the road on tour with Khonnor in 2004. He was a shimmering humble star, a person that had a sparkle in his eyes, which has been shining through with all the music he pours through. After listening to his music, as Helios and Goldmund over four years time, we are again proud and happy to be able to offer his astounding moody compositions for all of you. Get this. He is a star.

              This is Keith Kenniff’s fifth gorgeous release. In five years Keith’s style has evolved constantly, with his drifting piano compositions taking the Goldmund label and the Helios sound moving out from undreneath the clipped beat-heavy electronics of ‘Unomia’ and into a more unique place, even incorporating vocals on the ‘Ayres’ mini album. ‘Caesura’ however is his ‘proper’ follow-up to the acclaimed ‘Eingya’, and sees Keith return to the instrumental sound he knows so well. In fact in many ways ‘Caesura’ is a more electronic work than its predecessors, blending layer upon layer of synthesizer and adding his assured drumming to come up with the perfect meeting of indie-pop and ambient music. The haunting cinematic element is still present of course, but these songs are more rounded and confident than any in Keith’s career.

              From the delicate bliss of ‘Hope Valley Hill’ which opens up the album with gauzy nostalgia and, as the title promised, hope, through the chunky pop of ‘Come With Nothings’ it is clear that Keith’s music is as arresting as it ever was. Taking cues from the lilting indie-electronics of Ulrich Schnauss and the unfussy ambience of Brian Eno, Keith manages to inject this with his knowledge as a composer. The epic harmonies of ‘Backlight’ for instance reveal a lightness of touch rarely heard in the genre with sweeping synthesized chords buzzing alongside Keith’s signature guitar.

              Accompanied by more gorgeous artwork from Matthew Woodson, ‘Caesura’ is a glowing record for the winter months, and a glimmer of hope to keep the seasons at bay.
              dotshop

              http://rs429.rapidshare.com/files/155048693/Helios_-_Caesura.zip
              http://rapidshare.com/files/155072226/HelC_Vic.zip
              

              Lo de Helios consiste en hacer las portadas más bonitas de la historia de la música electrónica o que…?? Joder... ya van 3!!

              Seguro que el disco también de pasote...

              thank you so much!!!!!

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                Pelukini
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                el de helios es bonito, una pena que no explote su voz como en su anterior disco, no en todas las canciones, pero hubiera estado bien "algo", el chico es timidillo y lo pasa mal en los directos…

                La portada es perfecta para describir lo que hay dentro, es más hoy me aislado del mundo con el disco mientras viajando en tren y divagaba mirando por la ventana. Perfecto hilo musical para nostálgicos pero tmb para soñadores

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                  Pues yo esta mañana ya no podía dormir más en la cama y me fui al salón, me puse el disco de Helios mientras me hacía un ovillo en el sofa y así me he quedado hasta que ha terminado. Toda una delicia, gracias filtradores.

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                    Pelukini
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                    Par de cosillas relacionadas que no filtraciones

                    RiP: A remix manifesto

                    @3myq4swv:

                    En el ‘Manifiesto Remix’, es un documental que toca el “plemico” tema de los derechos de autor, la industria de la música, la cultura, la tecnologia y el mundo de hoy. La pelicula será estrenada el 17 de octubre del 2008, es probable que en los próximos días ya este disponible en Internet.

                    http://nfb.ca/webextension/rip-a-remix- ... en20081015

                    y por otro lado russian red habla un poco de cultura libre, compartir, industria discografica

                    http://blog.faqoff.org/2008/10/17/russi ... a-cultura/

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                      Kiototar
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                      @laser-beam:2gcygmtw:

                      @Kiototar:2gcygmtw:

                      @andtheworldsmileswithyou:2gcygmtw:

                      Helios– Caesura [2008]

                      @2gcygmtw:

                      YOU NEED THIS — A MOST HIGHLY RECOMMENDED UNDER THE SKIN EPIC ***** When me and my wife first met with Keith Kenniff it was on the road on tour with Khonnor in 2004. He was a shimmering humble star, a person that had a sparkle in his eyes, which has been shining through with all the music he pours through. After listening to his music, as Helios and Goldmund over four years time, we are again proud and happy to be able to offer his astounding moody compositions for all of you. Get this. He is a star.

                      This is Keith Kenniff’s fifth gorgeous release. In five years Keith’s style has evolved constantly, with his drifting piano compositions taking the Goldmund label and the Helios sound moving out from undreneath the clipped beat-heavy electronics of ‘Unomia’ and into a more unique place, even incorporating vocals on the ‘Ayres’ mini album. ‘Caesura’ however is his ‘proper’ follow-up to the acclaimed ‘Eingya’, and sees Keith return to the instrumental sound he knows so well. In fact in many ways ‘Caesura’ is a more electronic work than its predecessors, blending layer upon layer of synthesizer and adding his assured drumming to come up with the perfect meeting of indie-pop and ambient music. The haunting cinematic element is still present of course, but these songs are more rounded and confident than any in Keith’s career.

                      From the delicate bliss of ‘Hope Valley Hill’ which opens up the album with gauzy nostalgia and, as the title promised, hope, through the chunky pop of ‘Come With Nothings’ it is clear that Keith’s music is as arresting as it ever was. Taking cues from the lilting indie-electronics of Ulrich Schnauss and the unfussy ambience of Brian Eno, Keith manages to inject this with his knowledge as a composer. The epic harmonies of ‘Backlight’ for instance reveal a lightness of touch rarely heard in the genre with sweeping synthesized chords buzzing alongside Keith’s signature guitar.

                      Accompanied by more gorgeous artwork from Matthew Woodson, ‘Caesura’ is a glowing record for the winter months, and a glimmer of hope to keep the seasons at bay.
                      dotshop

                      http://rs429.rapidshare.com/files/155048693/Helios_-_Caesura.zip
                      http://rapidshare.com/files/155072226/HelC_Vic.zip
                      

                      Lo de Helios consiste en hacer las portadas más bonitas de la historia de la música electrónica o que…?? Joder... ya van 3!!

                      Seguro que el disco también de pasote...

                      thank you so much!!!!!

                      Ejem… por??? no habrás sido tú quien ha creado semejante maravilla... Decías conocer a Colleen... mmm Iker????

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                        laser-beam65
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                        @Kiototar:3lfqq7r3:

                        @laser-beam:3lfqq7r3:

                        @Kiototar:3lfqq7r3:

                        @andtheworldsmileswithyou:3lfqq7r3:

                        Helios– Caesura [2008]

                        @3lfqq7r3:

                        YOU NEED THIS — A MOST HIGHLY RECOMMENDED UNDER THE SKIN EPIC ***** When me and my wife first met with Keith Kenniff it was on the road on tour with Khonnor in 2004. He was a shimmering humble star, a person that had a sparkle in his eyes, which has been shining through with all the music he pours through. After listening to his music, as Helios and Goldmund over four years time, we are again proud and happy to be able to offer his astounding moody compositions for all of you. Get this. He is a star.

                        This is Keith Kenniff’s fifth gorgeous release. In five years Keith’s style has evolved constantly, with his drifting piano compositions taking the Goldmund label and the Helios sound moving out from undreneath the clipped beat-heavy electronics of ‘Unomia’ and into a more unique place, even incorporating vocals on the ‘Ayres’ mini album. ‘Caesura’ however is his ‘proper’ follow-up to the acclaimed ‘Eingya’, and sees Keith return to the instrumental sound he knows so well. In fact in many ways ‘Caesura’ is a more electronic work than its predecessors, blending layer upon layer of synthesizer and adding his assured drumming to come up with the perfect meeting of indie-pop and ambient music. The haunting cinematic element is still present of course, but these songs are more rounded and confident than any in Keith’s career.

                        From the delicate bliss of ‘Hope Valley Hill’ which opens up the album with gauzy nostalgia and, as the title promised, hope, through the chunky pop of ‘Come With Nothings’ it is clear that Keith’s music is as arresting as it ever was. Taking cues from the lilting indie-electronics of Ulrich Schnauss and the unfussy ambience of Brian Eno, Keith manages to inject this with his knowledge as a composer. The epic harmonies of ‘Backlight’ for instance reveal a lightness of touch rarely heard in the genre with sweeping synthesized chords buzzing alongside Keith’s signature guitar.

                        Accompanied by more gorgeous artwork from Matthew Woodson, ‘Caesura’ is a glowing record for the winter months, and a glimmer of hope to keep the seasons at bay.
                        dotshop

                        http://rs429.rapidshare.com/files/155048693/Helios_-_Caesura.zip
                        http://rapidshare.com/files/155072226/HelC_Vic.zip
                        

                        Lo de Helios consiste en hacer las portadas más bonitas de la historia de la música electrónica o que…?? Joder... ya van 3!!

                        Seguro que el disco también de pasote...

                        thank you so much!!!!!

                        Ejem… por??? no habrás sido tú quien ha creado semejante maravilla... Decías conocer a Colleen... mmm Iker????

                        de qué hablas? gracias por el link… :?

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                          laser-beam65
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                          @Kiototar:2okrvu9r:

                          @laser-beam:2okrvu9r:

                          @Kiototar:2okrvu9r:

                          @andtheworldsmileswithyou:2okrvu9r:

                          Helios– Caesura [2008]

                          @2okrvu9r:

                          YOU NEED THIS — A MOST HIGHLY RECOMMENDED UNDER THE SKIN EPIC ***** When me and my wife first met with Keith Kenniff it was on the road on tour with Khonnor in 2004. He was a shimmering humble star, a person that had a sparkle in his eyes, which has been shining through with all the music he pours through. After listening to his music, as Helios and Goldmund over four years time, we are again proud and happy to be able to offer his astounding moody compositions for all of you. Get this. He is a star.

                          This is Keith Kenniff’s fifth gorgeous release. In five years Keith’s style has evolved constantly, with his drifting piano compositions taking the Goldmund label and the Helios sound moving out from undreneath the clipped beat-heavy electronics of ‘Unomia’ and into a more unique place, even incorporating vocals on the ‘Ayres’ mini album. ‘Caesura’ however is his ‘proper’ follow-up to the acclaimed ‘Eingya’, and sees Keith return to the instrumental sound he knows so well. In fact in many ways ‘Caesura’ is a more electronic work than its predecessors, blending layer upon layer of synthesizer and adding his assured drumming to come up with the perfect meeting of indie-pop and ambient music. The haunting cinematic element is still present of course, but these songs are more rounded and confident than any in Keith’s career.

                          From the delicate bliss of ‘Hope Valley Hill’ which opens up the album with gauzy nostalgia and, as the title promised, hope, through the chunky pop of ‘Come With Nothings’ it is clear that Keith’s music is as arresting as it ever was. Taking cues from the lilting indie-electronics of Ulrich Schnauss and the unfussy ambience of Brian Eno, Keith manages to inject this with his knowledge as a composer. The epic harmonies of ‘Backlight’ for instance reveal a lightness of touch rarely heard in the genre with sweeping synthesized chords buzzing alongside Keith’s signature guitar.

                          Accompanied by more gorgeous artwork from Matthew Woodson, ‘Caesura’ is a glowing record for the winter months, and a glimmer of hope to keep the seasons at bay.
                          dotshop

                          http://rs429.rapidshare.com/files/155048693/Helios_-_Caesura.zip
                          http://rapidshare.com/files/155072226/HelC_Vic.zip
                          

                          Lo de Helios consiste en hacer las portadas más bonitas de la historia de la música electrónica o que…?? Joder... ya van 3!!

                          Seguro que el disco también de pasote...

                          thank you so much!!!!!

                          Ejem… por??? no habrás sido tú quien ha creado semejante maravilla... Decías conocer a Colleen... mmm Iker????

                          no conozco a Colleen, conozco a la amiga de Colleen. Iker ha hecho su portada

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                            NotCitizen
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                            B12 - Last Days of Silence (2CD, 2008, MAEM)

                            @32yetm6w:

                            CD1
                            01 Hall of Mirrors (Digitonal’s String in Space Remix) 06:08
                            02 Magnetic Fields 05:35
                            03 32 Lineup 08:16
                            04 One 02:52
                            05 Don’t Be Afraid 06:21
                            06 Static Glitch 06:18
                            07 In Control 04:42
                            08 Beyond Reason 03:15
                            09 Slope 07:15
                            10 Omni Therapy 05:45
                            11 Ashamed of Me 04:24
                            12 More Than One (Redcell Remix) 06:59
                            13 Isolation On Demuba 03:55

                            CD2
                            01 Attempt Too (Live) 05:42
                            02 Pursuit (Live) 07:30
                            03 Zoo Zoo (Live) 06:53
                            04 Particle 3 (Live) 06:41
                            05 Twisted Muva (Live) 05:10

                            http://www.megashare.ro/?d=524E42DC1
                            

                            @32yetm6w:

                            Some 12 years since the classic "Time Tourist" album (Warp), the rightful follow-up to B12�s critically acclaimed and landmark first LP "Electro Soma" (also on Warp) the recently re-launched B12 are back as both label and seminal electronic act. The duo, Mike Golding and Steve Rutter release their first CD album consisting of new unheard material, tracks only ever heard at their live gigs and music only previously available on limited edition vinyl. �Last Days of Silence� sees the pair return in superb form with an album that rightly joins their first two highly rated electronic classics.
                            Following recent comeback single "32 Lineup" the new album "Last Days of Silence" builds on the ethos set down by the duo in 1990, when they started their own music output on B12 Records, to provide music for listening and dancing. Both can be heard here with plentiful aplomb bridging perfect atmospheres, melodies and moods with beats and rhythms fitting enough for every forward thinking dance floor on the planet. From the warm and moody "Ashamed of Me" to the far eastern tinged strings on "Hall of Mirrors", echoic deep bass on the break infected "Magnetic Fields" and dancefloor groove of current single "32 Lineup" Steve Rutter and Mike Golding combine the classic B12 sounds into a new vision of the future. Also featuring a bonus disc of unreleased live recordings "Last Days of Silence" sees B12 rightly return to the UK techno throne.

                            http://www.b12records.com/#releases

                            Bueno, parece un recopilatorio de directos y material no editado, pero hacía tanto que no sacaban nada que se pilla con ganas. Parece que está por salir uno de remixes y una colección en 7 entregas. Lo malo: suena a retirada.

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                              viva! al fin lo he pescado!

                              Japanther - Tut Tut Now Shake Ya Butt! (2008)

                              http://rapidshare.com/files/155272606/Tut_Tut_Now_Shake_Ya_Butt.zip
                              
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                                H.M.
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                                @Pelukini:2brd15lt:

                                viva! al fin lo he pescado!

                                Japanther - Tut Tut Now Shake Ya Butt! (2008)

                                http://rapidshare.com/files/155272606/Tut_Tut_Now_Shake_Ya_Butt.zip
                                

                                Empezamos bien el dia!! :D :D

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                                  @Pelukini:1gvem2t6:

                                  viva! al fin lo he pescado!

                                  Japanther - Tut Tut Now Shake Ya Butt! (2008)

                                  http://rapidshare.com/files/155272606/Tut_Tut_Now_Shake_Ya_Butt.zip
                                  

                                  La portada tiene delito, y de los gordos

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                                    Pelukini
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                                    pero si tienen las mejores portadas del mundo!, jajaja

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                                      @Pelukini:2x4vpja0:

                                      pero si tienen las mejores portadas del mundo!, jajaja

                                      Tienes razón. Si la comparamos con estas es de las más bonitas que me he echado en cara, jejeje.

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                                        Dan Hoerner
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                                        @laser-beam:2r3icn6n:

                                        @Kiototar:2r3icn6n:

                                        @laser-beam:2r3icn6n:

                                        @Kiototar:2r3icn6n:

                                        @andtheworldsmileswithyou:2r3icn6n:

                                        Helios– Caesura [2008]

                                        @2r3icn6n:

                                        YOU NEED THIS — A MOST HIGHLY RECOMMENDED UNDER THE SKIN EPIC ***** When me and my wife first met with Keith Kenniff it was on the road on tour with Khonnor in 2004. He was a shimmering humble star, a person that had a sparkle in his eyes, which has been shining through with all the music he pours through. After listening to his music, as Helios and Goldmund over four years time, we are again proud and happy to be able to offer his astounding moody compositions for all of you. Get this. He is a star.

                                        This is Keith Kenniff’s fifth gorgeous release. In five years Keith’s style has evolved constantly, with his drifting piano compositions taking the Goldmund label and the Helios sound moving out from undreneath the clipped beat-heavy electronics of ‘Unomia’ and into a more unique place, even incorporating vocals on the ‘Ayres’ mini album. ‘Caesura’ however is his ‘proper’ follow-up to the acclaimed ‘Eingya’, and sees Keith return to the instrumental sound he knows so well. In fact in many ways ‘Caesura’ is a more electronic work than its predecessors, blending layer upon layer of synthesizer and adding his assured drumming to come up with the perfect meeting of indie-pop and ambient music. The haunting cinematic element is still present of course, but these songs are more rounded and confident than any in Keith’s career.

                                        From the delicate bliss of ‘Hope Valley Hill’ which opens up the album with gauzy nostalgia and, as the title promised, hope, through the chunky pop of ‘Come With Nothings’ it is clear that Keith’s music is as arresting as it ever was. Taking cues from the lilting indie-electronics of Ulrich Schnauss and the unfussy ambience of Brian Eno, Keith manages to inject this with his knowledge as a composer. The epic harmonies of ‘Backlight’ for instance reveal a lightness of touch rarely heard in the genre with sweeping synthesized chords buzzing alongside Keith’s signature guitar.

                                        Accompanied by more gorgeous artwork from Matthew Woodson, ‘Caesura’ is a glowing record for the winter months, and a glimmer of hope to keep the seasons at bay.
                                        dotshop

                                        http://rs429.rapidshare.com/files/155048693/Helios_-_Caesura.zip
                                        http://rapidshare.com/files/155072226/HelC_Vic.zip
                                        

                                        Lo de Helios consiste en hacer las portadas más bonitas de la historia de la música electrónica o que…?? Joder... ya van 3!!

                                        Seguro que el disco también de pasote...

                                        thank you so much!!!!!

                                        Ejem… por??? no habrás sido tú quien ha creado semejante maravilla... Decías conocer a Colleen... mmm Iker????

                                        no conozco a Colleen, conozco a la amiga de Colleen. Iker ha hecho su portada

                                        La verdad es que lo de Type es un escándalo, personalmente prefiero Deaf Center o Khonnor pero puedo comprar a ciegas cualquier release que hagan y esto me pasa con muy pocos sellos hoy en día, grazie mile por nevarme la mañana..

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                                          Pelukini
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                                          @Dan:

                                          La verdad es que lo de Type es un escándalo, personalmente prefiero Deaf Center o Khonnor pero puedo comprar a ciegas cualquier release que hagan y esto me pasa con muy pocos sellos hoy en día, grazie mile por nevarme la mañana..

                                          joder pero Khonnor que coño hace!,desde el 2004 que no saca nada, se hizo cakita o que?

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                                            Dan Hoerner
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                                            La verdad es que no ha dado señales de vida pero el Handwritting lo talé hasta el infinito…

                                            raro que esto no esté por aquí, espero no estar cometiendo bread & breakfast cual novatillo....

                                            Björk And Antony - The Dull Flame Of Desire

                                            http://rapidshare.com/files/154916684/Bjork_-_Dull_Flame_Of_Desire_-_2008.zip
                                            
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